Apple Laptops for all Cobb County students? $70 million (Atlanta, Georgia, USA)

I would like to pick up one of these for $350. Apple really is discounting to compete. Pretty impressive.

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Cobb County wants to spend nearly $70 million for 63,000 students and teachers to get state-of-the-art Apple laptop computers, complete with Microsoft Word and iTunes.

After months of negotiations, Superintendent Joseph Redden announced the cost and scope of a potential deal with Apple Computer. If the school board approves the first phase of the four-year, $69.9 million proposal, the first iBook G4 laptops would be distributed this spring.

By fall, four high schools would be outfitted as demonstration sites. Within a year, high schoolers could be working with a computer that, at 5 pounds, weighs less than most textbooks. Within three years, each of Cobb's teachers and middle and high school students could have a laptop.

The iBooks would come with Apple's latest operating system, plus Microsoft Office and wireless capability. Software would include Apple's iLife, which could be used to make digital movies, photos and music for school projects through programs like iTunes and GarageBand. The iBooks would be compatible with the school system's existing PCs.

"The kinds of things the students will be using out in the work force today, they'll be using in our schools," said Deputy Superintendent Donald Beers. Part of the cost goes to build a wireless network for schools countywide.

If fully implemented, it would be one of the largest school laptop programs in the country.

Apple would provide seven employees dedicated solely to training and operations, and operate a repair facility in Cobb. The laptops would have a four-year warranty, and the deal includes extra batteries.

Parents would be responsible for insurance, expected to be $50 a year. Redden said the school system's education foundation would work on fund-raising to help low-income families pay for the insurance.

The Cobb school district, which spent months negotiating with companies including IBM and Dell, claims the best price per laptop of any school system in the country: $271.26. Michigan paid $275 per machine in its recent laptop contract with Hewlett- Packard.

Add in the extras Cobb negotiated for � including support, training and maintenance � and the total cost is about $350 per person. For comparison, the cheapest retail price of the same computer loaded with the same features was $1,248 on apple.com.

John Seral, who has children in Cobb County middle and high schools, said he was "personally convinced this thing will be successful." He learned the details while working on an advisory panel for the school system.

Seral said he believed students would gain skills that have become invaluable in business. "Voice mail is virtually dead in our company," he said. "You have to have a laptop to function."

The Cobb deal would boost Apple's efforts to capture the k-12 education market. Vice President Barry Wright would not say what Apple's market share is, but the company has landed other major initiatives, including the nation's first in Maine and one in Henrico County, Va.

Mark Weston, who worked for Apple three years ago, when it provided laptops to 37,000 students and teachers in Maine, said the Cobb County deal would have people talking.

However, "the technology is just one piece of the equation for enhancing learning and teaching," he said. "The ultimate test will be how everyone uses these incredible tools."

Cobb County will pay for the program's start-up through a 1 percent sales tax voters approved in 2003 and which will expire in three years.

Most school board members seem comfortable with providing teachers with the laptops, but need assurance about the students.

Questions from the public include concerns about online security and at-home use. School officials have set up a Web site and e-mail to address questions and will conduct four information sessions before the board's March 9 vote.

The school system still needs a provider for wireless connectivity, as well as an Internet partner in the community, Redden said.

Proponents of "one computer to one student" point to reports of increased school attendance and fewer discipline problems. They say laptop programs bridge the "digital divide," putting cutting-edge technology in the hands of young people who otherwise could not afford it.

Some researchers, however, say more time is needed to understand the long-term impact of such programs. Critics say the money could be better spent on smaller classes and teacher development.

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RE: Apple Laptops for all Cobb County students? $70 million (At

Wait a minute here, Cobb county is the same one that put the "evolution is a theory not a fact" stickers in the "science" textbooks? Do these kids really need laptops or should they start by getting the books right? And note that the local ATL news last night had a story about the enormous costs to taxpayers for the whole theory fiasco. The county put in the stickers, got sued and lost, then the school board decided to appeal the lost ruling. All the while spending all that tax money in such a brilliant way. Now they have enough extra cash for laptops?

And note that I say "science" class because its sure as hell not about science anymore once you start picking and choosing accepted principles and coating them with religion. Besides being completely ignornant for denying evolution based on misguided ideology they also dont understand what the word "theory" means (maybe they could use the laptops to look up words - theory means body of evidence).

RE: Apple Laptops for all Cobb County students? $70 million (At

People in Cobb County use computers? The Scopes Trial was in 1925, and they apparently haven't heard of that, so knowledge of computers...wow...how progressive!

RE: Apple Laptops for all Cobb County students? $70 million (At

Ah, they couldn't use their computers to look up anything supporting evolution. Something tells me they'll have a nice little spyware app in there that sends them to a creationist (uh, excuse me, intelligent design) website every time they look up something on evolution.

RE: Apple Laptops for all Cobb County students? $70 million (At

" creationist (uh, excuse me, intelligent design) " - lol

You know along with that damn "evolution" "theory" the Earth is also only 6000 years old and the universe is geocentric (and the Earth of course is flat). All of this can be found on those "intelligent design" websites.

RE: Apple Laptops for all Cobb County students? $70 million (At

I heard from the guy building the genesis museum that the dinosaurs died during Noah's flood, 4000 years ago.

Puts that one to rest right there.

RE: Apple Laptops for all Cobb County students? $70 million (At

I will say this, it is kinda sad that the whole laptop thing is going on in Cobb Co, and not a district like So. Fulton or Dekalb where you know a majority of the kids couldn't afford a computer at home independent of the school system.

RE: Apple Laptops for all Cobb County students? $70 million (At

Dinosaurs, what the fuck you say? No such thing man, get a clue. You must have meant the "Jesus Horses".

RE: Apple Laptops for all Cobb County students? $70 million (At

Another excuse to get tax money. We knew that when the 1% SPLOST tax was voted in that we would never reach the point where it ceased. Now, the computer set-up is such that if we DO rebel and say "no more," our taxes will be raised.

It doesn't matter how much the bureaucrats and politicians say that will not be the outcome - that is what will happen.

RE: Apple Laptops for all Cobb County students? $70 million (At

Hey Cobb County Commissioners---> No more SPLOST taxes for you to spend! Hey everyone...call each of the commissioners and get their stance on the laptop giveaway. One wonders what the Apple "rebate checks" look like for the cobb board of education members.

RE: Apple Laptops for all Cobb County students? $70 million (At

Let the board know how you feel.
Maybe we need to add and extend more SPLOST county taxes so we can also buy all kids new cars, and the latest prom attire. Why not go ahead and get the kids 401Ks setup and initiate a program for house down payment. That way the kids don't even have to go to college. This is a great lesson to teach through this program. Why learn responsibility when everything is bought for you?!
Here are the commissioners' numbers:
Sam Olens
(770) 528-3300
Tim Lee
(770) 528-3318
Helen Gorham
770) 528-3314
Joe Thompson
(770) 528-3316
Annette Kesting
(770) 528-3312

RE: Apple Laptops for all Cobb County students? $70 million (At

Apple is giving away the razor so that it can sell the razor blades later. Watch the costs on this program sky rocket. But at least the kids will get some cool IM platforms. Uh, who gets to be the security admins on each of these? Will parents have admin access to make sure they know what their kids are doing? Or will they be locked out and have to trust the school system is taking care of that aspect?

RE: Apple Laptops for all Cobb County students? $70 million (At

Why call the county commissioners? They don't have any control of the how the school system spends our money. Better yet- lets vote down the county's 1% for transportation and public safety. This way only those who pay property tax in Cobb are stuck with the burden and not out of county commuters and shoppers. Duh!

RE: Apple Laptops for all Cobb County students? $70 million (At

Hey big spender, I really hope you haven't bred. You write, "Will parents have admin access to make sure they know what their kids are doing?" If you want to live in a military state move to North Korea.

Freedom for all.

RE: Apple Laptops for all Cobb County students? $70 million (At

That's the whole point. Who decides what can be accessed by these laptops? The kids, the parents, or an outside consultant who is on an open expense account? What is the true long term cost of providing the support over the life of this program? Yeah, I am so sure the kids will respect that these are laptops provided by cobb county tax payers. Right. Let's vote more SPLOST and property taxes so more fine spending programs like this can be started.

RE: Apple Laptops for all Cobb County students? $70 million (At

and in addition they'll probably use the laptops to advertise to the kids.....

RE: Apple Laptops for all Cobb County students? $70 million (At

What the Hell-- It's Just Money........... The "government" has plenty of that! don't you know...........?

RE: Apple Laptops for all Cobb County students? $70 million (At

Just like UGA SEC rings at least 50% go missing first year....

RE: Apple Laptops for all Cobb County students? $70 million (At

Hells bells why go all the way to North Korea---try Ma-retta, Georgia..

RE: Apple Laptops for all Cobb County students? $70 million (At

fun while it lasted. Bye, bye Joe Redden, Don Beers, Kim Quinn...

RE: Apple Laptops for all Cobb County students? $70 million (At

Great idea, give kids OSX so they can get to a job that requires knowledge of Windows, nevermind the kid who used a "regular" computer got that job. Macs are less than 5% in the US, less than 2% worldwide.. way to prepare these kids for the 'real world'

Not to mention Mac users are infamously cult like. My kid is taking a PC to school keep you iwhatever, we use PC's at home and work. If my son wants to listen to music, I'll give Apple a call.

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We got a comment to our newspaper all the way from Amherst Ohio. Novel idea, he said, no more SPLOST taxes ever. Then we don't need to argue how to spend them. Say Goodbye Redden!

RE: Apple Laptops for all Cobb County students? $70 million (At

Hey, pls don't hate. We are not a bunch of bumpkins. We just don't want a school board and a superintendent who want to spend all our money and think they don't have to communicate with us while they're doing it! Reminds me of sex with my ex.

RE: Apple Laptops for all Cobb County students? $70 million (At

Though OSX is less than 5%, Unix is the future
around the world. Not because of OSX, because
of Linux... but OSX isn't that different.

Schools should be training kids for the future, not for the present.

Not to mention that Dell boxes would be infected with porn-spamming viruses within minutes.
You really want porn on you're kid's computers?

RE: Apple Laptops for all Cobb County students? $70 million (At

The IBM and Dell prices were better. IBM is the second largest employer in Cobb County and despite what MAC Bigots say, MAC isn't better in this case. Can you imagine the parents at home trying to right click, eject a floppy, let alone install a driver or use Command Line Interface? Sorry, MAC isn't practical and the Vital Source Technologies software was included by IBM and Apple, so there's no differentiation there. Plus, MAC's support isn't too hot. ThinkPads are more rugged. You decide...

RE: Apple Laptops for all Cobb County students? $70 million (At

This is quite an example of ignorance:

"Great idea, give kids OSX so they can get to a job that requires knowledge of Windows, nevermind the kid who used a "regular" computer got that job. Macs are less than 5% in the US, less than 2% worldwide.. way to prepare these kids for the 'real world'

Not to mention Mac users are infamously cult like. My kid is taking a PC to school keep you iwhatever, we use PC's at home and work. If my son wants to listen to music, I'll give Apple a call."

Where does the 5% number come from, oh, that statistical body of knowledge called your anonymous ass.

Apple is very prevalent in the workplace world. Its prevalent in software design firms, publishing houses, recording industries (audio and video) and more. In addition its BSD based which means the kids *might* get exposed to Unix. Unix/Linux IS the business world (I have worked for several fortune 100 companies - a knowledge of Unix is very helpful).

Now granted the reason Windows is more popular than Mac in homes and in offices where they arent doing anything with the computer other than reading email, surfing the web and using Excel/Word (where the computer is a fancy word processor and communication assistant, not really being put to work) is exactly because they arent doing anything with the computer (that and they dont know any better).

What are the kids going to use the machines for? Editing documents, viewing web resources, communicating, then sure Windows would be fine, but so would Mac - those trivial tasks can be done on any platform - its just that Macs make more sense in such an environment because they are far more secure and far less prone to support issues (save money in the long run).

If you are worried about your kid not getting a job because you use PC at home and you think Mac would hurt those chances (why because the kid couldnt click on "Word" instead of "W" which launches the exact same program?), then you are truly ignorant - go back to the evolution stickers and just leave the computers out of it altogether.

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This is silly too

"Can you imagine the parents at home trying to right click, eject a floppy, let alone install a driver or use Command Line Interface? Sorry, MAC isn't practical ..."

Apple is known for its world class support which consistently is better than Dell, and worlds above IBM (and yes I used to work for IBM).

Apple is also known for its usability. (You dont HAVE to install driveers and use the command line, now using the command line is cool with OS-X because its BSD and you get bash with grep, sed, awk, etc, but you never have to use it).

And if you really think a parent wont be able to figure out a Mac you are really mistaken. Thats the point, it works, its intuitive, its trivial.

My house is mostly "PC" - if by that you mean Windows x86. I do have several x86 Linux machines, and the kids have PowerPC iMacs with OSX (because they were dirt cheap on eBay). By far the easiest to use of the lot is Mac OSX. The "kid" machines wind up getting used by everyone because they work so well and are so easy.

There are reasons not to pick Macs, sure, they cost more up front, they dont run as much software (mostly an issue with games) and so on, but usability and support are exactly reasons FOR USING macs (not reasons not to).

Now what do you have?

Now that the "dust has settled", what do you have? Did other equipment get purchased? What steps for access were taken?

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