Administration heaps bullshit onto illegal wiretap debacle

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So Al Gore piped up and called wiretapping American citizens on American soil without FISA (or any court) approval ILLEGAL. Imagine that, being that it IS ILLEGAL seems like a crazy thing to say right? Well that prompted the recent attack responses from the Bush bullshit machine calling Gore a hypocrite. The Bush team also cleaned up the language a bit and re-spewed it in the form of editorials by justice department lawyers. The problem is that the Clinton-Gore use of a SINGLE physical search in the Ames spying matter was NOT COVERED by the FISA court at the time. At the time FISA covered electronic survelliance only and did not cover physical searches. The law was later changed to include physical searches by legislation that Clinton supported, encouraged and signed (imagine a President supporting civil liberties and a balance of power, wow). The Bush team seems to be citing the very law they now say doesnt apply to them in order to try to smear Gore and deflect his statements about their illegal activity. Its one thing to defend against Gore if they really believe their activity is not illegal (as they still assert, but has been refuted by every independent legal expert and rational person to review the matter thus far) but it is another to quote the very law they say does not apply in their defense and do so in a manner that invokes the current law deceptively in reference to past actions when the law was different. And the issue here is that the Bush-McClellan-JusticeDeptClowns KNOW and KNEW THAT. That makes them deceptive assholes at best and complete liars at worst. This administration wonders why the hell we as a populace will not accept the wiretaps and the explanation that "hey we say they are good for you, accept it"? Yet they lie and deceive at every turn? Something the Bush team apparently does not get, or they think it also does not apply to them, is that you have to EARN credibility and respect, continually lying and or deceiving at every turn is not the way to do that. We need to stop the illegal wiretap practice now, we do need to have congressional investigations, we do need to treat this issue as a very important matter because it is. We need for the executive branch of the federal government to be censured and reigned in from all of the illegal activity and or just plain excessive use of powers. And we need a Republican led indictment every other day congress to do it? Yeah right. Forgive me if I sound incredibly cynical, but I am and its deserved. The Republican party cant investigate the "misplacement" of BILLIONS of dollars in the Iraq contracting mess, they cant investigate the pre-war intelligence, they cant investigate Tom Delay and Jack Abramoff et al (several DA's have but the house ethics committee did not stop all this crap, au contrare), they cant investigate secret "black sites" prisons, they cant investigate torture, they cant stand up and say the detention of American citizens without charge is not allowed and they certainly cant be depended upon to investigate the wiretap matter. I personally am no Democrat but will be voting for and pulling for the Democrats very much so in upcoming 2006 elections. What are my choices? The Republican theological and dictatorship "make the government bigger than ever", "put even more government into social issues" and "dont ever investigate anything even though we are obviously corrupt as hell" party? The disorganized and all too often distracted Libertarian party which even when it is making sense has no chance to really get anyone into higher office? Or the Democrats who have their own issues with putting government where it doesnt in my opinion belong, especially on social fronts, but who at the same time seem to ACTUALLY GIVE A SHIT ABOUT PEOPLE when they do so and are not trying to deceive - most of the time. With those choices I am going Democrat and will be hoping for enough seats to change hands that we can at least get some real investigations going to at least "investigate" the very important and mostly ignored matters of the last few years of government.

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RE: Administration heaps bullshit onto illegal wiretap debacle

Sadly, I may be joining you at the polls and pulling the Democrat lever. Back in 1994 the Republicans took over with promises of smaller government, less waste, ending corruption, blah blah blah. Well, they really screwed that up, didn't they? 33% budget growth since then, all kinds of corruption, and now this. I heard on the news the McClellan said something like "If you haven't done anything wrong you have nothing to worry about." WHAT?????? DID HE ACTUALLY SAY THAT???? Crapola, man. Let's just throw out the 4th amendment. I mean, if we haven't done anything wrong then we should have no problem having the police drop by for an unannounced visit. Time for another changing of the guard. When available I will always vote for a Libertarian. I'll probably keep voting for my Republican rep, Linder. He's one of the better ones. Both of the Republican Senators can go, though. I'll probably vote in Dems just to balance out the Republicans. I wish I could say that I would vote for each candidate based on their beliefs and values, but they are all f*cking corrupt.

RE: Administration heaps bullshit onto illegal wiretap debacle

I thought term limits were supposed to help fix this ingrown/inbred corruption problem. Whatever happened to that idea? It looks like every 6 years we need to flip parties in charge so we get some kind of responsible government. Of course that says nothing about the current President who is shredding all the things that used to make our country great when compared with the rest of the world. Hey at least they aren't just pulling disenters in and shooting them in the back of the head with a 45, although I guess we have a few more years left so it might get to that before this is over.

RE: Administration heaps bullshit onto illegal wiretap debacle

I am with both of you on this, obviously. I want a few more democrats just so there will not be a power shift either way, 50-50 in the senate would be ideal. That way the jackasses, corrupt on both sides often being true, have to figure out a way to actually work together to get anything done, or they get nothing done which is also fine. Term limits would be great too. The SCOTUS said we would need an amendment to get them in place, and one was put forth but failed to get the 2/3 majority vote to even go to the states (in the 104th congress "contract with America" crap). We need term limits and actually LAW LIMITS. Every law should automatically expire at some point unless it is specifically renewed, or one house of congress should be in the business of passing laws and one in the business of repealing them. Something. As it is now we just heap and heap and heap and it gets to be more and more of a mess. Certain laws are great, dont get me wrong, and should be around always, but it wouldnt hurt to have to specifically say - this one stays - in order to keep them around. As it is now its almost impossible to get rid of a law.

RE: Administration heaps bullshit onto illegal wiretap debacle

The idea of term limits and a mandatory sunset provision for all laws would be great. It would keep the corruption out of the system (no one is worried about building a 'war chest' with lobbyist money) and it would also guarantee that all laws, good bad or stupid are systematically reviewed, say every 5 or 10 years. That way the only 'lasting legacy' would be the Constitution, as it should be. I could even imagine setting aside a year or two where no new business, barring emergencies, was allowed and the only thing the children in Congress could do would be to 'clean up their room' and go through all existing US law and revamp it. I know, it won't ever happen.

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