Screaming Penguin

Well, I agree with the Dean stuff, I think he sounded a bit whack when he screamed (and I am not a Dean supporter personally, I dont know much about him one way or another) but he was just trying to respond to the crowd and rally if you watch it, and his voice cracked (as will happen when on the campaign trail I suppose). This Franken thing does seem kind of wierd to me, the fact they plain ole didnt just call security, but still I didnt see it and I know from account of those who did that it wasnt Al beating the hell of some guy for no reason because he is a maniac. (That same site, the one that called Al the wild man, NewsMax, had a headline today that read "in a first, federal judge says its OK to aid terrorists", when in FACT (those pesky damn facts are the problem) the Judge said several provisions concerning aid to terrorists were just to damn vague and violated constitutional amendments (of which the act is not). The judge explicity stated that we should go after terrorists, of course, but do it in a constitutional manner. Spin is fun aint it, judge says its ok to aid terrorists, WTF is next, this world has gone to hell, those damn liberal commies, we need to nueter those piss ant bastards for **** like this, jesus h christ.) And then on to the Bush lied stuff, maybe not, maybe he just stretched the truth, if you prefer that, or maybe he fabricated a little bit, or maybe he said something untrue, are any of those better? I just dont see how any reasonable person can honestly think that he did NOT lie. Especially in light of recent reports from the DoD and his own man on the job David Kay (not to mention that useless UN, and that Hans Blix who said they hadnt found anything and needed more time, hmmm, again, familiar theme). If you arent seeing that then you might as well say Clinton never lied (after all what is the definition of is?). I didnt like the Clinton bullshit, and the conservatives went apeshit over it because "he lied", how despicable that was (a President lying, imagine that). But I dont like the Bush bullshit even more (even less?) because it was a lie that wasnt just personal, wasnt just affecting him and some silly little sex scandal, it was a series of lies that got the country he was sworn lead into a war? Again, regardless of the merits or demerits of the damn war, we went in because of the imminent threat and we knew the weapons were there and the Yellow Cake and the Tubes and all that BS. In other words, lies. You would think the big Clinton lie-caller-outers would jump all over this, but no, instead they defend the President? Yeah, thats rational, thats non-partisan and fair.

I think Al Franken is an utter Tool. I am not surprised by any actions. This man has always been a nut. It really doesnt matter how the incident went down, its just that the incident went down. No matter what happened, as long as there was some physical intervention by Franken, it should not have been handled that way. Al Franken is thorn in my liberal side.

uh, this entire post is bullshit. but i wont bother with dispensing with all of it because you appear unwilling to accept facts anyway, i will therefore just start with the first "point" ----------------------------------------- "Bush never said anything about Iraq being an imminent threat. In fact, in the State of the Union, he said the exact opposite" President Bush October 7 2002 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat Knowing these realities, America must not ignore the threat gathering against us. Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof -- the smoking gun -- that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud. Iraq could decide on any given day to provide a biological or chemical weapon to a terrorist group or individual terrorists. Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints. Iraq is "a threat whose outlines are far more clearly defined" than Al Qaeda. ------------------------------ So my friend, sorry but you are full of **** on this one, and I think your claims that he DID NOT Say it are lies. I think you, and any reasonable person, KNOW that he said it, and many in his administration KEPT SAYING IT and that that was the CASE FOR THE INVASION (I can go find a thousand quotes from Rumsfled, Rice, Cheney (who said we knew WHERE the WMD were specifically). Sure we switched it to "liberation of the people of Iraq" AFTER we invaded and didnt find ****, but come on man, saying it was not said beforehand is a LIE.

Dude, you're liberal. We're sorry.

Well I guess I should not be such a jackass as to call my "friends" liars. I apologize and will try to clean up my act. However CLEARLY bush did say he was a threat (the mushroom cloud quotes before). You or anyone else cant honestly say that the Bush Administration did NOT state that Saddam was a threat. It is very clear from MANY speeches and documents and such that they painted Saddam as an imminent threat and a "clear and present danger".

The original account in the Union Leader alleges that Peter Ramsey the theater manager originally claimed that Franken reacted to being elbowed by a heckler. http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=32449 "Ramsey said a news photographer later told him Franken reacted to being elbowed by the protester, who knocked his glasses off." Now the next day I find this rather long account on a Franken related site which you may go read yourselves at.... http://www.alfrankenweb.com/pramsey.html What I found strange in this account is that Ramsey now claims to have SEEN the elbowing of Franken. That strikes me as rather inconsistent. Another strange thing - 40 news crews present and not a single one gets the incident on film? Weirder yet... Ramsey also claims that Franken was standing on a balcony 5 feet above the floor where the protester was. Now let me ask a silly question. If Franken is anywhere near normal height - say 5'6" or so and he is standing there just minding his own business when he gets elbowed, doesn't that mean that his eyes would HAVE to be something like 10 feet above the theater floor? Put your elbow up over your head as high as you can (jump and flail around all you like) and tell me whether you can get it anywhere near 10 feet in the air so you could pop Franken in the glasses. When I was a young fellow and a pretty good jumper I could get my finger tips on the basketball rim, but my elbows??? No way... Was this heckler some kind of NBA prospect or what?